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 Is young Scientist quantifying the darkness of outer space
Location: BlogsEmdad Rahman    
Posted by: Emdad Rahman 05/02/2007 17:06

When Neil Armstrong and the astronauts that followed after him were on their way to the moon back in the late 1960s and early 1970s, they were surrounded by a dark void, virtually of infinite size and scale in all directions. Apart from those rare moments when their gaze happened to be directed towards the nearby sun, the earth or the moon in the sky, they will have seen nothing but tiny pinpricks of stars set against this engulfing blackness of infinity all around. Thinking on another level, if we were to travel out of our Solar System on an imaginary voyage toward the nearby stars, all light coming from the sun would gradually fall out of the equation. But just how bright would space be when we’re sailing between the stars? We know it’s extremely dark out there, but just how dark is very dark?

Now a UK based scientist claims to have found the answer. Abdul Ahad, a freelance astronomer and sci-fi author has produced an article that tells us just how much star light the universe is sending our way, if we exclude all light coming from the nearby sun. According to his calculations, it comes to roughly 1/300th of a full moon’s worth. Some of his colleagues and fan club have even coined it “Ahad’s constant”.

Below is a brief rundown of the complex mathematical computations involved.

Astronomers measure the brightness of stars across the night sky using something called the magnitude scale, first introduced by the Greek astronomer Hipparchus in the second century B.C. The scale in itself can be somewhat confusing, since a first magnitude star is actually brighter than a second magnitude star, opposite to what you’d expect going purely by every day common sense. You can learn more by searching Google for ‘magnitude scale for star brightnesses’.

Suppose we have two stars of magnitudes M1 and M2. Then their luminosities L1 and L2 are related by the formula:-

L2/L1 = 10^[0.4*(M1-M2)]

The luminosity of the pair of stars is L1 + L2 = L1(1 + L2/L1), and their combined magnitude is then given by:-

Mc = M1 - 2.5*log10 (1 + L2/L1)

For the general case, where the magnitudes of "n" stars need to be aggregated, we can generalise this by computing all the ratios:-

Li/L1 = 10^[0.4*(M1-Mi)] for all stars i from 2 through n. The combined magnitude is then:-

Mc = M1 - 2.5*log10 (1 + L2/L1 + L3/L1 + ... + Ln/L1)

"Ahad's constant" is simply defined to be the sum of all the individual magnitudes of every single star across the entire night sky, right down to the faintest star that could ever be seen with the most powerful telescope ever invented or is likely to be invented in the future. In other words, the value of "n" in the above formulae (i.e. the star count) will tend to infinity. Based on Ahad’s numerical integrations, he has found that as n tends to infinity, the variable Mc in the above equation tends toward a bottom line figure of some -6.5 magnitudes (1/300th of a full moon equivalent worth of light - the so-called “Ahad’s constant”).

The constant cannot be appreciated by someone sailing more than a couple of light years beyond the neighbourhood of the Sun in any direction. When you're that far out, you’d want certain physical barometers to pinpoint your overall ‘existence.’ One of them might be knowing whether the environment your ship is sailing through is a complete vacuum. Another might be knowing your distance from the next nearest planet or star. Yet another might be to know how much net starlight the sky is providing. It will remain an invariant celestial constant to a traveller located in deep interstellar space within several hundreds - if not thousands - of light years from here. All that humanity can ever hope to physically experience or meaningfully contemplate over within the foreseeable future of our species...”

Stars in the neighborhood of the sun are extremely feeble in their intrinsic brilliance - most of them being tiny red dwarves of < 0.1 x sun power - and the average spacing between them is approximately 5 light years. Hence, 99.9% of the time during an interstellar voyage between any two stars in this part of the galaxy, you will be travelling under the feeble illumination quantified by "Ahad's constant":

As we venture outward from our Solar System, the sun would diminish in its apparent brightness, much like how the green light from a traffic signal gradually fades to a star-like point in the rear view mirror inside a car, as it pulls away.

By working out a point in space where the sun’s light intensity becomes exactly equal to that of the surrounding cosmic illumination of -6.5 magnitudes, Abdul Ahad has defined an imaginary sphere. That has now become generally known in Physics and Astronomy circles as the “Ahad Sphere of Solar Illuminance”, and its radius extends approximately one trillion miles or about eleven thousand five hundred astronomical units outward from the sun.

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Re: Is young Scientist quantifying the darkness of outer space    By Jeremy on 06/02/2007 12:25
Very well written and interesting article. A refreshing change from the daily hectic grind. Do not forget that Muslims have always excelled and been pioneers in the realms of astronomy and the fields mentioned. Thank you Mr Rahman.

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Re: Is young Scientist quantifying the darkness of outer space    By Foxarabia on 06/02/2007 12:43
Wow....ok. If you say so.

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Re: Is young Scientist quantifying the darkness of outer space    By Abe on 06/02/2007 20:26
what you have written is most impressive. I must admit that I don't comprehend all of it, especially the calculaltions. I want to re-read it however.

Abdul is to be congratulated on what you have already accomplished. I forsee Abdul becoming a prominent name in the space science field.

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Re: Is young Scientist quantifying the darkness of outer space    By Pierre Head for the stars on 06/02/2007 20:31
Isn't there a constant already in use by astronomers which is for a patch a sky devoid of visible stars and galaxies and expressed in magnitudes per unit of square area? In photometry, it is essential to know your sky background brightness before assessing small scale variations in variable objects. This might only apply though for objects seen through our atmosphere from observatory Earth. I have no idea whether observations carried out in space are treated similarly.

Time to do some research.


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Re: Is young Scientist quantifying the darkness of outer space    By Abdul Ahad on 06/02/2007 20:36
In late 2004, I formulated an article that analytically demonstrated that such a ring system around the Earth would, in fact, never hold stable! Now some group of people, unknown to me, is circulating my paper to every corner of the globe. I have had web hits to my geocieties page from places as far afield as Belieze, Chile, Puerto Rico, Venezualla, Costa Rica, Malta, The Bahamas, Nigeria, Somalia, Sovenia, Russian Federation, India, China, etc etc...

Here is the paper:

http://uk.geocities.com/aa_spaceagent/restricted/earth-ring-dynamics.html

Now, this is of a much higher order of complexity and I don't expect it to get easily published without some prior input from the world's finest minds at places like Harvard, Princeton, Cambridge, Oxford, etc. But it is my *proof* that the Earth will NEVER be able to hold a ring system around it, EVER :)

Interested? Let me know what you think...

Abdul Ahad
http://www.myspace.com/aa_spaceagent

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Re: Is young Scientist quantifying the darkness of outer space    By Boris on 06/02/2007 21:26
Most impressive. The calculations went a bit over my head but I can see were you are going =). ..:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

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Re: Is young Scientist quantifying the darkness of outer space    By Kerela on 06/02/2007 22:00
I sorta see why you would want to roll up the night sky like that into a one number magnitude. But you have to agree, Ahad's constant will be quite far removed from every day reality in normal star travel. I mean yes - if you speeded up to 99.99999999% speed of light and saw the universe filled with stars squashed into a small window of a ball of light, then that ball will be, at least in theory, the same brightness as what Abdul Ahad is predicting.

Kerela

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Re: Is young Scientist quantifying the darkness of outer space    By Captain Dave on 07/02/2007 10:01
In my opinion, Abdul has hit the nail on the head. I don't think there should be any debate!

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Re: Is young Scientist quantifying the darkness of outer space    By Meloni on 07/02/2007 10:04
My friend Abdul, Does NASA know about you? If not, they should!


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Re: Is young Scientist quantifying the darkness of outer space    By Samajo on 07/02/2007 10:05
I agree with Meloni, call NASA. This is very interesting, they would want to hear about this.

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Re: Is young Scientist quantifying the darkness of outer space    By Monique on 07/02/2007 10:07
WOW Abdul, this is so over my head I needed consultation with God.

My guy, however, is a physics geek and I can't wait to show him this!

I have to say, that even though I can't understand your calculations, you present this in such a way that even a layman such as myself, can jibe meaning from the hypothesis and with the links; comprehend your content.

You are shining star, Abdul...a great and creative mind! I am glad you made this available on my page...thank you for including me.

Monique


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Re: Is young Scientist quantifying the darkness of outer space    By Eridanus on 07/02/2007 10:11
[From Spacetalk.com forum ]

Google for ahab's constant or "Ahad radius". Here's one from Astronomy.com:

http://www.astronomy.com/ASY/CS/forums/262572/ShowPost.aspx

It's not _easy_ to add up every single star like you say. Even Ahad's constant relies on some extrapolation in the computation.


http://www.astronomy.com/ASY/CS/forums/262572/ShowPost.aspx

It's not _easy_ to add up every single star like you say. Even Ahad's constant relies on some extrapolation in the computation.
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Re: Is young Scientist quantifying the darkness of outer space    By Ithaca on 07/02/2007 10:13
[From Spacetalk.com forum ]

It surprises me that figure of just 1/300th of a full moon is so tiny, you can't even see your hand if you held it out in front of you.

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Re: Is young Scientist quantifying the darkness of outer space    By raphmiah on 07/02/2007 10:15
[From Spacetalk.com forum ]

The solar constant on earth is 1370 watt per meter squared. So if the sun did wink out, that other constant is 14 milli-watt per meter squred of star light flux. Well that's pretty interesting, though the empiricals are sooo hard to work with!

Well it could be useful one day if your sailing to the stars, sailor, though its pretty dark out there.

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Re: Is young Scientist quantifying the darkness of outer space    By Jimmy Snyder on 07/02/2007 10:21
[From Physics forums thread: http://www.physicsforums.com/archive/index.php/t-88860.html]

In the next to last paragraph of the second link, I found this:

http://www.astroscience.org/abdul-ahad/aa-glossary.htm

"Further, the convergence of the entire universe into a circular dot of light (figure 4 above), whose dimensions are zero and whose flux amounts to Ahad's constant of -6.5 magnitudes, will only be possible at a theoretical ship velocity of exactly 'c'."

Since an actual spaceship cannot achieve that velocity, he is saying that the convergence to a point is not possible.



Since an actual spaceship cannot achieve that velocity, he is saying that the convergence to a point is not possible.

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Re: Is young Scientist quantifying the darkness of outer space    By Anonymous on 07/02/2007 13:24
Can't think if there's another way of working out universe light without Ahad's constant. Good on 'ole ahad. His works and his legacy should live on

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Re: Is young Scientist quantifying the darkness of outer space    By Joe Young on 07/02/2007 13:33
[From Astronomy.net forum ]

It seems an interesting concept ( Ahad's constant ). So we are lucky enough to get 1.4 killowatt per square metre of flux from the sun ( solar constant ). Where those guys in interstellar space get a measly 14 milli-watts per square metre (1/300th full moon). That's the universe's background light added together.

Pretty cool ;-)

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I'm not a scientist    By P Johnston on 07/02/2007 14:43
Read your article and can safely say that you are correct at least from the standpoint of a common non-scientific person. I do notice that it is usually darker where there is absence of light. That's why the sky is so beautiful in places like state parks where alot of times all you have is mother nature.

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Re: Is young Scientist quantifying the darkness of outer space    By Mark on 07/02/2007 15:18
Early on you confuse apparent and absolute magnitude. You can't calculate luminosity from the apparent magnitude of stars. Consider that the Sun is much less luminous than Antares. Also you seem to be suggesting that 2.5 log infinity tends towards M1, where M1 is a randomly chosen value.

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Re: Is young Scientist quantifying the darkness of outer space    By Jerry on 07/02/2007 15:43
I appreciate the logic of this. There should be no confusion, as everything relates to apparent magnitude. The above poster brings absolute magnitude in, which confuses the issue. What Mr. Ahad is doing is simply adding the _apparent magnitude_ of all stars across the sky. There's no real rocket science here, just a logarithmic series that I could work on my excel spreadsheet if I had the time and star catalogue data. The issue seems to be around precisely _where_ his constant actually bottoms out to a final figure.

In the journal of the BAA, the value is -6.0. Then his later calculations put this up to -6.5. There seems a finite value somewhere in that range. As magnitude of stars get fainter, their number grows exponentially, but their net contribution of light tails off, thus:

http://www.astroscience.org/abdul-ahad/firstarktoalphacentauri/ahads_constant_universal_flux.jpg

This should interest astrophysics institutes in America.

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Re: Is young Scientist quantifying the darkness of outer space    By Abe March on 07/02/2007 16:16
Abdul has once again delved into the unknown and appears to have found answers to complex questions. I must admit I did not follow all the calculations and must therefore assume them to be correct. It is his desire to find answers to questions that I applaud.

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Re: Is young Scientist quantifying the darkness of outer space    By Esther on 07/02/2007 23:19
A what point do we have a definitive answer to something like this? Our 'certainties' of today may be disproved tomorrow. With the monitoring and research equipment evolving and advancing every day what we measure as being one value now may not be what we can read its value at latter.
Interesting article.

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Re: Is young Scientist quantifying the darkness of outer space    By Jodi on 08/02/2007 03:32
Although I have to shamefully admit that most of the article was over my head (especially the formulas!) I did understand most of what was going on & found it quite interesting. Thank you for the intellectual stimulation :)

I agree with "Meloni"...
"My friend Abdul, Does NASA know about you? If not, they should!"

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Re: Is young Scientist quantifying the darkness of outer space    By Koren on 08/02/2007 05:50
This was actually a very interesting idea to think that in this space darkness. What can be speculated about the absence of light and the experience of the astraunauts who are there in the darkness for months on end in the space station? Can this be linked to some of their bizarre behavior upon return? An intereseting article.

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Re: Is young Scientist quantifying the darkness of outer space    By Kleopatra on 09/02/2007 10:46
i think this needs to be checked by academics then added to the wikipedia dictionary. it seems to be good knowledge for people to share.

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Re: Is young Scientist quantifying the darkness of outer space    By King on 12/02/2007 17:11
i read the thing and it seems to me that it's based on the assumption that there are infinite stars in the universe; this, i've heard, is a controversial topic.

however, assuming there are infinite stars in the universe (a notion i tend towards), the proof is incredibly elegant.

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Re: Is young Scientist quantifying the darkness of outer space    By Christian Hilton on 13/02/2007 01:14
Hi,
I was directed to the article by a MySpace friend of Abdul Ahad, and given his 'extra-curricular' leaning into science fiction, I would comment premisiung upon the possibility of a lifeform in space°, one requiring no lifesupport as provided by a celestial body like earth in orbit around the sun, but still retaining those vital elements that makes it's life relative to ours - such as eyes to see with and a sense of direction....;
With these simple parameters, I based a hypothetical statement on the existence of earth people who in their respective lives have developed a tracking technique - specifically those tribesmen* who still to this day hunt and gather by looking at their hands when in the chase to determine the path to follow in pursuit of their quarry....
The outer space variant/parallel lifeform would have a plane surface as part of it's ['self-perceived'] anatomy, it would look at it[self] and gauge luminance based on position with such an exacting measure of accuracy it could set off or alter course in exactly the right direction and in such an environment may be deemed to be this kind of lifeform for aeons with a profound understaning of the 'neighbourhood', perhaps being hundreds of light years in area [/volume]....
I am sorry to say my extensive internet searching has not turned up the name of the tribe - it has certainly featured in a UK television documentary profiling this divining method .
°Alternatively, rather than a lifeform, it may be subtle gravitational shifts caused by photo-sensitve elements, still causing it's path to change with varying luminosity..., hence 'the existence of photo sensitive matter'.


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Re: Is young Scientist quantifying the darkness of outer space    By Tom on 15/02/2007 12:30
Hi all,

Wow Abdul, you keep amazing me ;) You always succeed to make me sortof comprehend 'complex' astronomical situations.. and even think about them!

I am a leek in astronomy but it all seems very plausible to me.

The formulas presented in the article are 'simple' enough for me to understand and assuming that they are correct in basics I have no grounds to argue them or Ahad's constant for that matter.

My general feeling, however, tended towards two questions of which one has already been mentioned as far as I checked (are there infinite stars in space?).
Secondly I asked myself: wouldn't Ahad's constant be the minimum amount of light after travelling beyond the solar illuminance?

I have no feeling of 'time' in space but it seems to me that the distances between stars would vary and therefore the amount of light reaching you from stars would vary too.

More people have commented in this direction, is it correct that Ahad's constant is the minimum level of light in space (assuming that there are stars througout)?


Godspeed, Abdul!

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Ahad's Sphere of Influence    By Hasan Ali Imam on 16/02/2007 08:47
Peace,

I read Abdul Ahad's piece on the luminousity of the universe, should all the stars be rolled up into one entity and compared with the luminousity of the Moon. I was most impressed by his calculations and to conclude that the magnitude of the entire universe would only be 1/300th of the Moon! I don't think any Astronomer worked this one out and so it must be an original piece of work which definitely should be recognised by the Astronomical community. The 'Ahad Sphere of Solar Illuminance' is a novel concept in Astronomy and certainly in science fiction books as well and I think it links it very well with his novel, 'First Ark to Alpha Centauri' where he uses this concept. Ahad's 'Sphere of luminance' should definitley be a sphere of influence and should be included by scientists when deciding about interstellar travel.

One thing I just thought of, which is we are living in an expanding universe. The evidence shows that the expansion is inflationary, i.e. expanding at a faster rate (although what we see today happened billions of years ago), so would this affect the Ahad Constant? Hmmm the Ahad constant has made me think a bit more now about the nature of our universe.

Good show! NASA, when will you employ Abdul Ahad as one of your consultants on space flight? And when will the Bangladesh govt. create a space programme...soon please and make Ahad the head of the programme!

Hasan Ali Imam

Ex-Parliamentary Candidate
Conservative Party (UK)

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Re: Is young Scientist quantifying the darkness of outer space    By Starman on 19/02/2007 10:18
I have thought about this before. I think the sphere would have a fuzzy edge since the constant is going to be asymptotic. You could, in principle, define the solution to Ahad's constant to lie within a range of [6.0, 6.5] magnitudes or 6.25 +/- 0.25 magnitudes, but not the exact value.

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Re: Is young Scientist quantifying the darkness of outer space    By Anonymous on 21/02/2007 10:20
[From: http://killdevilhill.com/astronomychat/read.php?f=141&i=816&t=816 ]

"Thou will be forever seen as the light of inspiration guiding mankind toward thee boundaries marked by the Ahad radius whence returning from universe journeys to the far. And abdul ahad when will thee small earth be returning home from thy one-way ticket to the stars? 100,000 years? or more? Humankind will wait with open arms for return of thou Centauri Princess back into the luminous dominion of Sol, though with immense caution on what evil thee will bring back on thy long absence to the stars of alpha centauri..."

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Re: Is young Scientist quantifying the darkness of outer space    By ed on 26/02/2007 03:12
Does the constant apply to the space between globular clusters?
If the astronauts gazed at the sun what protection did they have?

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Re: Is young Scientist quantifying the darkness of outer space    By Abdul Ahad on 26/02/2007 11:07
Hasan Ali Imam wrote (16/02/2007):

> One thing I just thought of, which is we are living in an expanding universe. The
> evidence shows that the expansion is inflationary, i.e. expanding at a faster rate > (although what we see today happened billions of years ago), so would this affect > the Ahad Constant?

No. The constant is an integration of star light from cosmic sources that is already *here*. It is an instantaneous snapshot capture of all light arriving on the Earth, irrespective of whether the emitting sources, such as distant galaxies, quasars, etc are moving relative to us due to Hubble expansion of the universe. Incidentally, the bulk of the constant's make up is not from those distant sources, it is from much closer stellar sources within our own Milky Way galaxy. Hence, aberration of star light caused by redshift / blueshift, interstellar extinction, etc are not factors that influence the constant and how it is being measured.


Ed wrote on 26/02/2007:

>Does the constant apply to the space between globular clusters?

Nope. Globular clusters are simply too far away. This is a measure of the total amount of star light falling on the Earth and local interstellar space from more distant sources in the surrounding cosmos. It would remain virtually invariant within a sphere of several hundreds, to perhaps a few thousand, light-years from here.

> If the astronauts gazed at the sun what protection did they have?

The Apollo Lunar and Command Module windows were suitably coated with reflective material, as were the astronaut space suit visors.

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Re: Is young Scientist quantifying the darkness of outer space    By Bryan Lockett on 26/02/2007 13:27
Ahad's Constant-Nuevo Galileo Marches Among Us!

After reading the basis for Ahad's Constant I immediately reminscenced to the sciences of Galileo and Divinci-men centuries ahead of their times. Abdul Ahad, author of the highly successful First Ark science fiction series, provides the stimulus for his space travel fiction - his compulsion to explore the unexplored, fueled with the intellect and imagination to probe and answer the unasked questions that must be addressed. Abdul's energy and sense of responsiblity provide a role model worthy of envy! I will follow Abdul's progess closely and anxiously await where he will next take us!

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